Writer's Support Room - Open Forum Transcripts

Event start time: Tue Dec 13 14:03:30 2005
Event end time: Tue Dec 13 15:09:54 2005


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mel boring Good afternoon! Welcome to this Tuesday afternoon's "Open Forum" session. I'm your moderator, Mel Boring, and the Web Editor for this site. We're back for an informal time of answering any questions you might like to ask, on any subject. So feel free to ask what's on your mind--and I'll tell you what's on mine! First, please read these announcements, then we'll get started….
mel boring IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS: Send questions you'd like answered or discussed by using your "Ask a Question" icon/button. (It looks like a thought bubble icon, RIGHT NEXT TO THE RED QUESTION MARK.) The moderator (me, Mel Boring) will post the questions one at a time in the chat room and do my best to answer them. Also note: If you want to make it possible to ask the longest question you can, first type "/ask" (without the quotation marks), then leave one space after the end of "ask", then type as many characters of your question as you can. If your question is not complete, send the second part next, then if necessary the third, etc…
mel boring WARNING: If you don't post anything at all, SOME of you will be bounced off the system in 15 minutes. TO PREVENT THIS, type something (either a question to the moderator or even a private message) every 15 minutes to stay active and remain online....
mel boring Our Tasty Word of the Forum is: "terpsichore." Let me know what it means, if you know.
mel boring While you're thinking about "terpsichore," we have GOOD GOOD NEWS!...
mel boring This GOOD NEWS from Karen McCoy: It finally happened! My craft, "Puzzle Magnets," was accepted for publication in HIGHLIGHTS. This is my first paid acceptance and it's such an honor that it's with HIGHLIGHTS!
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, Karen!!! It couldn't happen to a nicer writer!...
mel boring To be published in HIGHLIGHTS for your first paid acceptance is HONOR INDEED--and we APPLAUD you, friend!....
mel boring Karen McCoy has had a DOUBLE BATCH of GOOD NEWS this week, and here's her SECOND GOOD NEWS: I just received an e-mail from KIDMAGAZINE WRITERS and they are going to publish my article "Me? Published?" on January 1, 2006. I am so excited!
mel boring A DOUBLE BATCH of CONGRATULATIONS, Karen!!!...
mel boring THIS was YOUR week, friend! KIDMAGAZINE WRITERS is a CLASSY newsletter for children's writers. Our hats are off to you, Karen, AGAIN!!!
mel boring Marcia Berneger sent this GOOD NEWS: HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN Magazine accepted my craft project! I sent the signed contract back last week! This is my first paid publication! Yeah!!
mel boring THIS is the WEEK for our chatsters and HIGHLIGHTS--HIGHCONGRATULATIONS to you, Marcia!!!...
mel boring YOUR first paid publication, too, that is TERRIFIC, and we ALL CHEER you on, Marcia!!! WAY TO WRITE RIGHT!
mel boring Julie Crabtree e-mailed with this GOOD NEWS: I have a piece of good news...GREEN PRINTS, the "Weeder's Digest" (it's a gardening magazine that merges philosophy and humor with gardening) has purchased a short story I wrote. And they pay well to boot! (I guess any paying gig is "good money" though, eh?!). This is my third sale in the last few months, which, of course, makes me very happy.
mel boring CORNGRATULATIONS, Julie (I said THAT because it's a gardening magazine! (-:})...
mel boring SERIOUS CONGRATULATIONS to you, Julie!...
mel boring You have the ability to publish for adults, too, and MY hat is off to you, friend!!!...
mel boring Confession time: When I FIRST began writing in 1969, I was going to write for children FIRST...
mel boring to learn how to write for ADULTS--which I figured was much harder...
mel boring What a surprise I got, that children's writing is hard enough...
mel boring and I've never been able to publish (much) for adults....
mel boring So you see why my writer's hat is off to YOU, Julie Crabtree!!!
mel boring Vickey Stamps sent the GOOD NEWS that her Christmas story, “The Forever Tree,” was published in LIFE IN THE OZARKS (a monthly three-year-old publication) newpaper.
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, Vickey!!!...
mel boring Vickey Stamps is a writer of MANY genres, including cowboy stories, I'm told....
mel boring I've read "The Forever Tree"--Vickey sent me a copy--and it's GOOD Christmas story! Way to write, Vickey, and way to publish!
mel boring Now to that Tasty Word of the Forum:...
caq Terpischore - to delight in a dance. With me only if you wear steel toed shoes.
omalizzie how fitting a name for a muse of poetry and rhythm
mel boring You've got it TOGETHER, caq and omalizzie!...
mel boring Here is the pronunciation:...
mel boring tirp-SICK-er-ee...
mel boring It's a NOUN, and the general definition is:...
mel boring the Greek Muse of dancing and choral song...
mel boring Special THANKS again to Suzyn Jackson for sending us this Tasty Word!
mel boring YUM, a TASTY word!!!
caq Mel, have you heard of this address http://www.associatedcontent.com/ ? A person was on earlier and said to submit to admin@assoc.content (Connectied with web address). They auction your writing. Sounds fishy to me. Can't figure it out.
mel boring No, I haven't heard of it, caq...
mel boring But I WILL explore it for next week, OK?...
mel boring Yes, it DOES sound fishy!...
mel boring I recall Paula Morrow telling me about a very...
mel boring legitimate Web site for a charity...
mel boring where a manuscript critique BY PAULA was being...
mel boring auctioned off, but it was a very legit church organization. I'll check out the one you mentioned--and thanks!
caq With that other question about the auction house, what happens with rights? This person said they pay you and you can then sell it again, but if they sell it what rights do they sell?
mel boring I'm only GUESSing that THEY take First Rights, caq,...
mel boring like so many nowadays who are not exactly on the up-and-up....
mel boring And IF they use First Rights wherever they publish it,...
mel boring your First Rights are no longer available to offer...
mel boring But MAYBE they use only ONLINE Rights. I'll check into it for you!
mel boring Here's a happy tidbit more about terpsichore:...
writersblock lol the pronunciation reads like a bird call . . . maybe a sick and dying bird. (smile)
mel boring RIGHT you ARE, writersblock--and a RICH sense of humor you always have, friend!
lizr My good news is that I started working as a book reviewer = I review children's books - picture books, wriiten in Spanish
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, lizr!!!...
mel boring It would take a rather brilliant writer to do that,...
mel boring and I KNOW that YOU are that brilliant a writer!...
mel boring I'm back--sorry I got kicked off!
mel boring As I was saying, CONGRATULATIONS!!!
lizr Speaking of Paula Morrow -- Have you heard the news about Cricket - they are moving from Peru, IL to Chicago and some of the editors are not moving
mel boring No, I hadn't heard that, lizr. What a MOVE...
mel boring a shakeup, it sounds like. I'll try to find out more for next week, OK?
lizr Thanks Mel ;o)
mel boring YOU are WARMLY WELCOME and DESERVING, lizr!
lizr Harold Underdown has some of the info abt Cricket on his Who's Moving Where section of his website www.underdown.org
mel boring THANKS, lizr!
crabby j Hi Mel, and thanks for the encouragement. Could you please
crabby j clarify the proper handling of second rights? If the 1st...
crabby j North American Rights are purchased, and another publication
crabby j also wants the story, can the author offer second rights w/o
crabby j consulting the first right's holder?Must the holder be cited
mel boring Hi to YOU, crabby j, who is NOT crabby at ALL! (-:}...
mel boring Yes, IF ONLY First Rights have been purchased by the original publisher, you CAN offer Second Rights....
mel boring About Second Rights, they are the SECOND time the piece sees publication...
mel boring And that term, Second Rights, is not used much anymore because of...
mel boring Reprint Rights. What has evolved, I think,...
mel boring is that publishers don't value Second Rights so much, and they used to sell for about the same prices as REPRINT RIGHTS....
mel boring So nowadays, MOST publishers just call Second Rights REPRINT RIGHTS, since that's also what they are....
mel boring You can only sell SECOND RIGHTS ONCE,...
mel boring buy you can sell REPRINT RIGHTS many times....
mel boring I'm going to search around and find out about that term Second Rights, Julie, to find out how much it is/isn't used anymore.
mel boring Vickey is here today, who wrote "The Forever Tree"...
mel boring Special WELCOME to you, Vickey!
lizr Here is a link to a newspaper article about the move [ Cricket group ] http://www.pjstar.com/stories/120105/REG_B89IV6DM.033.shtml
lizr Here's an article that came out November 30, 2005, that indicates the new chairman, Andre Carus, already lives in Chicago-- http://www.inottawa.com/archives/ottawa/sections.cgi?prcss=display&id=214360
mel boring GOOD RESEARCH, lizr, now we can ALL find out about CRICKET!...
mel boring THANK YOU SO MUCH--you're a very astute researcher, friend!
mel boring DMH asks: I have had two stories out to publishers since July and I have not received any news. Do I continue to wait or do I contact them as a follow-up? If I am to make contact, how and what is the protocol?
mel boring Hi, DMH, it depends on the response time stated anywhere by the publishers....
mel boring It's now been five months since you submitted your stories....
mel boring THAT's a long time for a magazine....
mel boring What to do is look up the publishers in a book like...
mel boring the 2006 MAGAZINE MARKETS FOR CHILDREN'S WRITERS...
mel boring or Writer's Digest's CHILDREN'S WRITERS AND ILLUSTRATORS MARKET FOR 2006...
mel boring In one of those marketing books, look up the publishers you submitted to...
mel boring and if five months is MORE than the time they say they respond,..
mel boring then write them a letter asking about the status of your manuscript(s), DMH....
mel boring If a magazine's response time was two months, for instance,...
mel boring I would wait two months PLUS two weeks, then write to them....
mel boring Your letter should be short, just politely checking on the status of your submitted manuscript, stating the title of the manuscript and the date you submitted it.
mel boring TS wants to know: Does a family newsletter (set up similar to your newsletter) count as writing samples? Or what would they be considered?
mel boring TS wants to know: Does a family newsletter (set up similar to your newsletter) count as writing samples? Or what would they be considered?
mel boring Pardon for REPEATING!...
mel boring Unfortunately, MOST publishers don't give much credence to family newsletters, TS...
mel boring CHURCH newletters, because they are more often formatted and put out regularly, are more considered by publishers....
mel boring but they may think themselves too "high brow" to consider writing in Family Newsletters, TS.
chippy Is the manuscript layout the same in all countries, or does
chippy it differ from country to country
mel boring It IS the same in most other ENGLISH-using countries, chippy,...
mel boring The only difference, in EUROPE, is that, instead of 8.5 X 11-inch paper,...
mel boring Their paper is 8.5 inches wide, but LONGER, maybe 13 inches, as I recall....
mel boring But the format for manuscripts is still the same as in the US....
mel boring GOOD to "see you" here, by the by, chippy!
writersblock Where is the newspaper that Vickey's story is published in? Is there a way to get a copy?
mel boring I was HOPING you'd ask, writersblock!...
mel boring I don't KNOW how to get a copy, but I'll ask Vickey and tell you next week, OK?
cookies can a person that does art for a hobby do picture book art
mel boring ONLY if that person is a professional, cookies....
mel boring What that means is having taken art training...
mel boring But there are SO MANY illustrators to compete with...
mel boring that you will need professional skills to submit art....
mel boring Of course, you CAN work out what YOU feel the pictures would look like,,...
mel boring and rather than submitting the pictures, just use them to help you with the writing, cookies...
mel boring YUM, at this time of year, I LOVE a username like "cookies"!
mel boring High Hopes asked us: What is the policy for using computer CD graphics to make puzzles, mazes, etc.? I assume they are copyrighted. How does a non-illustrator, like myself, submit these if you have a good idea but can't draw it professionally?
mel boring If they are copyrighted, High Hopes, you...
mel boring could not use them without permission....
mel boring And you can ASK permission....
mel boring Contact the person or organization named in the copyright, and ASK permission...
mel boring I have been SURPRISED sometimes to have them respond with a YES, you may use it for free....
mel boring It MAY be that the CD computer graphics you have are NOT under copyright...
mel boring But LOOK to see if they are first. If they AREN'T copyrighted, you CAN use them freely.
mel boring HS e-mailed this request: Please tell me if quotation marks are used in dialog when the characters are just thinking to themselves.
mel boring No, usually not, HS....
mel boring But thought MUST be indicated somehow...
mel boring For example, you could write "he thought" after the thought words,...
mel boring but NOT quote the words. There are RARE occasions when thoughts are put in quotes, but not usually....
mel boring Just make sure you let readers know CLEARLY that they are thougths.
mel boring WHOOPS, I misssssspelllllled "thoughts".
writerwoman Hi, again! I hope this is the charm. I am happy to be in this space with other writers. My first chat room experience. Here is my question: If a publisher requests a MG MS in response to a query, is it okay, when sending in the material to include a different MS (YA) or at least a query for it in the mailing along with two SASES for seperate responses?
mel boring Hi, writerwoman!...
mel boring We are HAPPY to have you, too, friend!
mel boring In answer to your question...
mel boring You should only send the publisher the ONE middle-grade manuscript you queried about...
mel boring It wouldn't be considered "cricket" to send a different one, OR to send TWO...
mel boring When a publisher answers a query with a yes, they are responding ONLY to the manuscript you originally queried about, writerwoman....
mel boring By the way, GOOD FORTUNE with that manuscript of yours--and ALL of your manuscripts, friend!
chippy Thank you for your answer. Good to "see everyone" too Mel,
mel boring Thank YOU, chippy!...
mel boring By the way, I haven't announced this in a long time,...
mel boring but if you type into the slot and send it out, it goes all over the screen...
mel boring and disrupts the questions and answers....
mel boring So if you want to talk to another person here, send them a Private Message, okay, please, pretty please, with sugar on it? AND THANK YOU!
mel boring A special word for delima-e: I'm sorry but the Ask Question feature only allows a few characters at a time...
mel boring BUT you can send your whole question "in pieces," delima-e, and I'll put it back together, like Humpty-Dumpty!
dynamitesc do you know what Xf ICL students get published during
dynamitesc the course?
mel boring I only hear about those who let ME know, dynamitesc...
mel boring since I'm not involved in teaching the ICL courses any longer...
mel boring But I'm ALWAYS glad to hear, and to TELL here!...
mel boring SOMEtimes, students I taught when I taught the courses...
mel boring write to let me know, and that's ALWAYS a PROUD moment for me!
mel boring FFO needs to know: A top publisher contacted me to read my MG script. When I send it in, would it be okay to include my new YA script, or at least a query for it, in the same mailing--with separate SASE's for both enclosed?
mel boring A similar question to the one a moment ago...
mel boring No, don't send in ANYthing other than the ONE manuscript you queried about, FFO....
mel boring Editors will be irked if you do, especially if you give them more to read than they planned on, friend.
mel boring FFO also needs to know: Once a publisher rejects a script, what do you think about requerying them after a major revision?
mel boring YES, do it, FFO! In fact, I just heard from one of the...
mel boring ICL instructors who is a special friend of mine...
mel boring that SHE did that, requeried the editor about a revision,...
mel boring and the editor said "SEND IT IN!" So, YES is the answer to that question, FFO.
mel boring NL sent this TIMELY question: About the rise in stamp prices after the first week in January: What happens when something that I submitted in October tries to find its way back to me in February (for example) with my SASE that has an old stamp? Does this mean that all those agents/editors/publishers will have to respond to us by Jan. 7? Ha! (I wish).
mel boring GOOD and timely question!...
mel boring Stamps go up to 39 cents January 1, which I only learned yesterday...h
mel boring But DON'T WORRY, NL, editors KNOW the situation...
mel boring They WILL return your manuscripts (except publishers who don't return mss anyway)...
mel boring and what they'll likely do is just add the extra postage...
mel boring to yours. But they won't let postage hikes stop sending back manuscripts, friend.
delima-e alot of new writers are here today, can you explain how to
delima-e how to get a message to you
mel boring You bet, delima-e!...
mel boring IMPORTANT: Send questions you would like answered or discussed by using your "Ask a Question" icon/button. In iChat, it's the "thought" icon BETWEEN THE YELLOW "MAP" AND THE RED QUESTION MARK. Or click the "ASK?" button BETWEEN "INSERT SOUND" AND "MODIFY PROFILE" if you are using JAVA, or the "QUESTION" button between "PRIVATE MSG" and "MODIFY PROFILE" if you're in JAVA LITE. If you are using HTML, I'm sorry that you have to ask your questions in so many short "pieces." But PLEASE ask them, and I'll piece them back together...
mel boring I hope this helps, because I DO want you to be able to send any questions....
mel boring By the way, if you aren't able to send them here, send them to my e-mail address and I will post and answer them at NEXT Tuesday's Open Forum...
mel boring My e-mail addy is: webeditor@institutechildrenslit.com
wordpaintervs what is an MG MS...I'm confused on that term
mel boring MG means "middle grade," or for grades 4 to 6, wordpaintervs....
mel boring MS is the abbreviation for "manuscript"...
mel boring and MSS means "manuscripts"--THANKS for clearing that up!
writerwoman Hi Mel! Thanks for the welcome and for answering!
mel boring You are WARMLY WELCOME, writerwoman!
delima-e Mel, djwinc want to know how do you get over writers block,
mel boring Here is my BEST and FAVORITE way to get over Writer's Block, djwinc...
mel boring STOP writing altogether, and just READ....
mel boring Read books for children and young adults, the age you want to write for....
mel boring I will BET that about 1 or 2 weeks into the reading,...
mel boring YOUR MIND will start to INFLOW writing ideas...
mel boring You'll be back writing again, and NOT have time for reading anymore!...
mel boring I am VERY FORTUNATE, because my Web work takes me away from writing,...
mel boring and I find I never have writer's block anymore,...
mel boring I THINK because I'm able to break away from the writing...
mel boring And I THINK writer's block happens because we are "DRILLED RIGHT INTO OUR WRITING" and just need a break!
mel boring Hey, I'm sorry to have looked at the clock!...
mel boring But the hour of Open Forum is LONG gone, and I must go...
mel boring THANK YOU ALL for being here today! I'll use unanswered questions in the log for the Monday Announcements coming up. HAPPY CHRISTMASTIME to you!
vettemom Thankyou Mel, we wait all week for this and want the flow up
vettemom board! I hope you all check it out and keep adding!
mel boring THANK YOU, vettmom, YOU have MADE my WEEK, my friend!
chippy In case I don't get back to the open forum, I want to wish
chippy everyone a great Christmas
mel boring chippy's children come from England for the Hols may keep chippy very busy now! Happy Hols, chippy!
georgy Thank you!
mel boring You are WELCOME, georgy, and THANK YOU for being here!
aurora1 Thanks Mel
mel boring You are WELCOME, aurora1, and THANKS for your question for the Q&As last Monday!
mel boring Bye for now, "see you" next Tuesday!@

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