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Join us this afternoon in the
AUDITORIUM-Scheduled Events Room for an "Open Forum" with Web
Editor Mel Boring. Mel has published some 25 magazine articles and stories,
as well as eight books for the young readers market. He taught writing for
18 years, while being home husband and parent to two of his four children,
and doing his own writing. He welcomes your questions on time management,
getting started, writer's block, marketing, writing rights, writing
earnings, or anything else you'd like to discuss. Bring your QUESTIONS to
this open forum-in five minutes.
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The Tuesday afternoon
"Open Forum" will begin promptly at 4 Atlantic/CANADA, 3 p.m.
Eastern, 2 p.m. Central, 1 p.m. Mountain, and noon Pacific. While you wait
for the "Open Forum" to start, feel free to use your ASK A
QUESTION button RIGHT BETWEEN THE YELLOW "MAP" AND THE RED
QUESTION MARK IN ICHAT to post some questions for the discussion group-two
minutes from now.
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Good afternoon! Welcome to
this Tuesday afternoon's "Open Forum" session. I'm your
moderator, Mel Boring, and the Web Editor for this site. We're back for an
informal time of answering any questions you might like to ask, on any
subject. So feel free to ask what's on your mind--and I'll tell you what's on
mine! First, please read these announcements, then we'll get started….
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IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS: Send
questions you'd like answered or discussed by using your "Ask a
Question" icon/button. (It looks like a thought bubble icon, RIGHT
NEXT TO THE RED QUESTION MARK.) The moderator (me, Mel Boring) will post
the questions one at a time in the chat room and do my best to answer them.
Also note: If you want to make it possible to ask the longest question you
can, first type "/ask" (without the quotation marks), then leave
one space after the end of "ask", then type as many characters of
your question as you can. If your question is not complete, send the second
part next, then if necessary the third, etc…
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WARNING: If you don't post anything
at all, SOME of you will be bounced off the system in 15 minutes. TO
PREVENT THIS, type something (either a question to the moderator or even a
private message) every 15 minutes to stay active and remain online.
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First of all, our Word of the
Forum, so it doesn't get forgotten....
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I don't think I've given you
THIS one before: "cruciverbalist."...
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Know what it means? If I gave
it before, some of you will have a HEADstart!...
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Now, a MARVEOUS announcement
to begin our forum:...
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CONGRATULATIONS to Mary Beth
Voelker and her husband and family! Karl Leo Voelker arrived on Wednesday,
October 12th. He was 6lbs, 13oz, and 20 1/2 inches long. He's doing
splendidly!
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Mary Beth has moderated this
forum when I've had to be away,...
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and she does a TERRIFIC
job....
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She also homeschools all of
her THREE children, now there'll be FOUR with little Karl!...
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We ALL wish you ALL WELL, Mary
Beth!
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GOOD NEWS from John Prophet: I
received an e-mail from Kim Wilson at www.writefromhome.com, informing me
that she has accepted my article "The Yin and Yang of Craft
Fairs" for publication in April, 2006--paid, too!
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John has been a contributor of
articles to our ICL Web Site in the past,...
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is many times self-published,
and also the MARVELOUS MODERATOR of his writing group in New England. CONGRATULATIONS,
John, WAY TO WRITE RIGHT!
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"cruciverbalist" may
SEEM similar to a Harry Potter word,...
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but actually, it has a larger,
and more common meaning,...
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and might be recognized by someone
who puts words in patterns!
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Jody Little sent us this GOOD
NEWS: I was notified last week that my story "Level 10" will be
published in the November issue of MY FRIEND. They have held it since
February. This is a new market for me, so I am excited. Thanks for letting
me share.
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Jody Little, you deserve to
feel VERY BIG today, friend!...
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CONGRATULATIONS!!! I've
mentioned previously that MY FRIEND is a magazine I was published in in the
early days,...
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and a VERY demanding magazine
for quality. It may not be good grammar to say it this way, Jody Little,
but YOU DONE GOOD!
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Here were two GOOD guesses at
the meaning of "cruciverbalist":...
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writersblock
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A spell from one of the Harry
Potter books.
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writersblock
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that should have been
cruciverbalist=A spell from one of the Harry Potter books.
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Here is the REAL, everyday
meaning from two smart cookies!...
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cruciverbalist a constructer of
crosswords
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caq
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Cruciverbalist is someone who
makes word puzzles. I think I am a cruciverbalist sometimes when I try to
write!
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Technically and completely, a
"cruciverbalist" is a person who likes word games, especially
crossword puzzles--EXCELLENT word sleuthing, fantasybookwriter and caq!
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Barb Cairns send us her GOOD
NEWS: In July, I attended the Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings Writing the Region
Workshop in Gainesville, Florida. What a great group of supportive,
encouraging writers! The icing on the cake was winning First Prize () for
my essay "Magical Moments," comparing my fawn Bambi to Jody's
fawn Flag in THE YEARLING. I got to read it at the Saturday evening banquet.
My first contest win!
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CONGRATULATIONS, Barb, amid
some GREAT COMPETITION!!!...
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That Rawlings Workshop
(Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings wrote THE YEARLING)...
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is a SUPER conference. Speaking
of SUPER, Barb Cairns, that one-hundred-fifty-dollar prize is SUPER DOOPER!
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GOOD NEWS from Christine
Collier herself: My article, "Save the Comics for Me," is
published on the Inspiration page of the current issue of CHILDREN'S WRITER.
This is the article mentioned last week, and it is EXCELLENT, as I see by
my own issue, which arrived last Saturday!
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CONGRATULATIONS, Christine!!!
I have read your article in CHILDREN'S WRITER, and,,,
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as usual, you did TOP-RATE
writing in that article. It's a VERY PRACTICALLY HELPFUL article--THANKS
for it, friend!
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Chris Weigand has GOOD NEWS
again: I wanted to share the link for my latest article in Just For Mom.
The link is www.justformom.com/articles_full_text_page.php?article_id=812.
Enjoy, Love and God Bless!
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CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, Chris
Weigand!!!...
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Your article is VERY touching,
showing as it does how WE ADULTS can LEARN FROM KIDS! THANKS for it, Chris!!!
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Rose Ross Zediker sent this
GOOD NEWS: THE FRIEND accepted my craft, Easter Egg Mint Cups. I'd almost
given up on this craft idea but it sold on its fifteenth time out. Now, I'm
thankful I was persistent!
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HEARTY CONGRATULATIONS to you,
Rose Ross Zediker!...
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THE FRIEND is ANOTHER very
demanding magazine in the church-related genre,..
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and you MUST have really done
WELL to be purchased by them!...
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MANY HAPPY RERUNS of your
writing to you, RRZ!
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arnalda
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Hi, Mel! What is the right way
to list a web page source in
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a bibliography?????
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GOOD question, arnalda, as
usual from you!...
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Let me give you a made-up
example:...
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Harperquicken, Jesse,
"How to Embroider Easter Eggs for Fun and Profit," May
6, 2005.
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WHOOPS, the WEB reference
didn't come through. Let me try that again!
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Harperquicken, Jesse, "How
to Embroider Easter Eggs for Fun and Profit," www.embroideryasart.com
, May 6, 2005.
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THERE it is! I would put the
"www" address inside these: < >...
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(marks that look like
arrowheads, on each end of it.
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The date is the date the
article on the web was posted, OR was last updated....
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And the author's name is VERY
important, because editors want SPECIFICS....
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But what if there is NO author
or date, arnalda?...
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Then do it like this:...
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"How to Embroider Easter
Eggs for Fun and Profit," www.embroideryasart.com.
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What an editor will do is GO
TO that Web site and check it out.
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By the way...
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arnalda kindly let us know
this, in response to her question about sending poetry to HIGHLIGHTS FOR
CHILDREN last week:
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poetry for the magazine.
So, anyone who has poetry
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is the person to send to
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So poetry submitted to
HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN should be submitted to Editor Kim Griswell--THANKS,
arnalda!
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CAQ has this follow-up
clarification to a previous question: Back to my interviewee approval
question. I don't mention the interviewee having approval rights until
after it is accepted, correct? I don't mention in the query or cover
letter, so and so has approval rights, correct?
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That is correct, caq! Until
they BUY the article, or contract for it,...
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it doesn't really belong to
them. At the point it becomes theirs, too, they need to know about
committments to interviewees.
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Special to scribblegirl from
Joan Winter, in answer to her question last week about Canadian writers
receiving U.S. payments: scribblegirl: I am happy to say I have never
experienced any problems receiving payment for my work from American
publishers. However, I have sold only to solid, well-established print and
online magazines. I have heard and read of writers, both Canadian and U.S.,
(Writer's Digest ran an article on the subject) having difficulty
collecting payment, but never met any personally. One should be aware that
all magazine publishers have different methods of paying their writers, and
some take longer than others to pay. Some pay promptly on acceptance;
others pay within a week or two of publication; still others take several
weeks. One publishing house I sold to took several months and needed some
gentle reminders before they paid up, but we remained friends and after
they bought another article, the second cheque arrived promptly.
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Last week scribblegirl had
asked about payments from the US to Canadian writers,...
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and Joan Winter IS a Canadian,
WELL published, and I was PLEASED that she told us about her OWN
experiences being paid as a Canadian writer by U.S. publishers.
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Here's a GOOD related question
from vettemom:...
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What are a Canadian writers
chances in a US market?
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Their chances are as GOOD as
their writing, vettemom!...
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In my early days of writing,
the 1970s, I sensed a kind of prejudice...
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that Canadian writing was
inferior. But I have not HEARD or THOUGHT that since then....
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Canadian authors for children
are VERY well respected,...
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and U.S. publishers would be
as open to a GOOD story or article from a Canadian...
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as from ANY writer in the US,
vettemom.
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Here is an upcoming SCBWI
conference for writers around Vancouver, BC: For writers living in the
Lower Mainland of Vancouver, or even south of the border (U.S. writers most
welcome), our SCBWI writer's group is holding a semi-annual event November
26th. It will begin with an informal get-together, followed by critiquing,
lunch, and two guest speakers. Anyone interested could e-mail me at
winterjoanw@yahoo.ca for further info and directions. THANKS, Joan Winter!
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Joan Winter has been VERY helpful
to today's Open Forum!
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omalizzie asked for a repeat
of: Where can I find what articles a magazine has published in years past?
The online CHILDREN’S MAGAZINE GUIDE, will give you this information
quickly and easily. It is at: http://cmg.lu.com/ and it lists stories and
articles published in most children’s magazines for years past. You can
SEARCH or BROWSE BY SUBJECT here. In searching on the CMG Web Site, I see
every kind of magazine from CRINKLES to NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC’s GEOGRAPHICA to
TEEN PEOPLE. I searched for the subject “Aquariums” and found a story in
LADYBUG from 2005, an article in the online TIME FOR KIDS from 2003 and
another 2003 article in RANGER RICK, omalizzie.
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That Web Site: http://cmg.lu.com/
is VERY helpful in finding out what has been published in magazines for
children--BOTH fiction and nonfiction.
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THANKS for asking about it
again, omalizzie!
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/ask Most Authors stay within there
particualr genre is
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/ask anything wrong with having
2 different chapter books
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No, NOTHING is wrote with
having two different chapter books, fantasybookwriter!...
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In fact, it's GOOD to go outside
your particular genre,...
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because, if you write picture
books, for instance, your publisher won't be able to do more then about one
per year....
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So if you ALSO write chapter
books, or Young Adult books, you'll sell more of your writing.
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Should you stick to ONE genre?
NO, not is you want to sell as much writing as you can--GOOD question,
fantasybookwriter!
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cosmos
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What is a good website for specifics
and guidelines on writing level books? Do they have lists of words for
level one or level two and so on?
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Yes, there ARE lists, and
books, cosmos. But I can't list them without some preparation....
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SO I've put your question in
my file for NEXT week's Open Forum--OK?...
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In fact, maybe that'd be a
good one for the Q&As in Monday's Tuesday Open FOrum announcement!
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arnalda has this follow-up:...
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The webpage in question just says
copyright 1996 - 2000
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I couldn't find a "last
updated" date
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Then you would put that
copyright date, arnalda,...
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and it would be sufficient. WHat
you basically want is ALL the bibliographic data you can find on the
page....
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If there isn't much, there
isn't much, and editors understand....
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Just don't use TOO MANY Web
sources in your biblio, of course.
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Thank YOU, Mel!
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You are WARMLY WELCOME!
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caq
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A suggestion is to make a note
of the poetry editor's name in the 2005 or 2006 Children'st Magazine guide,
Highlights part, Poetry Editor: Kim Griswell, Editor.
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GOOD suggestion, caq--I'll see
that it gets to the "right ears" to get it done--THANK YOU!
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writersblock
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Are there any possible copyright
infringement issues with using words from a song in a story?
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Yes, writersblock. Any song is
copyrighted.....
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If it is OUT of copyright
(roughly those dated BEFORE 1922 right now)....
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then there is no need. But if
you wanted to quote the lyrics of "Imagine," by John Lennon,...
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you would look at a copy of the
music, find who OWNS the copyright,...
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and write to that person, or
the book, or to the Web site it's found on.
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Here is an EXCELLENT writing
question!...
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high hopes
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When should you consider a
manuscript "dead in the water"?
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My OWN "rule of
thumb," high hopes,...
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is to send ANY manuscript out
TWELVE times, and...
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if it's rejected twelve times,
THEN I revise it....
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Then I'll do it twelve times MORE....
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If it doesn't sell by then, I
put it away, perhaps to work on later,...
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or just RETIRE it.
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About the poetry for Kim
Griswell and other poetry editors we talked about:...
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camry
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how many poems should be
submitted at one time?
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The rule of thumb for most
poetry editors is about a half-dozen, camry.
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Providing they are SHORT, or
course.....
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With poems the length of
Silverstein
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"Sylvia, Sarah,...Stout,
Who Wouldn't Take the Garbage Out,"...
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just ONE, because that one is
long---and FUNNY!
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Righter would like to find out:
This summer an author who'd submitted to the CBHI magazine group (Turtle,
Humpty Dumpty, Jack & Jill, etc.), said that her rejection
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CBHI was not currently
accepting outside submissions. (Their website never gave this information.)
Are they accepting yet
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I called the CBHI in
Indianapolis just yesterday to find out, Righter....
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They said that the ONLY ones
NOT accepting right now are...
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CHILDREN'S DIGEST, CHILD LIFE
and HUMPTY DUMPTY'S MAGAZINE....
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The OTHERS, Dan told me, are
"cherry picking" only now...
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which means they are picking
only the BEST of the BEST submissions....
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What's likely happening is that
the Children's Better Health Institute is probably having financial
problems,...
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which is NOT unusual for them,
and they have a full "freezer" of purchased pieces, and will be
buying very few for a while....
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But all the others, other than
those THREE, will keep on buying SOME pieces, Righter.
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What's the best way to view
primary sources -letters,diaries
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At larger libraries,
fantasybookwriter, such as university libraries, and big-city libraries....
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THEY usually have a Rare Book
Room, where you can read those old and brittle documents by looking at them
right in the room....
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They MAY not be so old and brittle,
but are rare, and kept under cover....
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Here's an example: I needed to
read a magazine article...
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written by the wife of the man
who first used laughing gas to pull teeth,...
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and she wrote the article
about 1890,...
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for a magazine that doesn't
publish anymore....
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So I went to a university
library (The U. of Iowa) and read that magazine there, and wrote notes
about it...
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as well as wrote down quotes from
the article that were useful in our chapter about anesthesia and its
development.
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Lisa has asked us: I received
a postcard from HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN saying, "Thank you for
'bearing' with us while we review your manuscript." It has a picture
of bears on it, and someone has handwritten the manuscript name on it. I've
heard a lot of people on the boards talking about the "scale
card" from HIGHLIGHTS, and they explained it as the same kind of thing
with a picture of scales on it. Is it the same thing, and do you know how
long I can expect to wait for a reply? Thanks!
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I e-mailed my friend Marileta
Robinson, Senior Editor at HIGHLIGHTS and a good friend about this today,
Lisa....
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She told me they were PHASING
OUT the "scale card" and starting to use the BEAR CARD....
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But they BOTH were sent out at
the same point....
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My educated guess is that that
card is sent to a submitter...
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AFTER the first readers are finished
reading the manuscript....
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And THAT process takes a LONG
time....
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The first readers are VERY
experienced people, like former HIGHLIGHTS editors and authors who have
contributed to the magazine a lot....
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The manuscripts are
SNAILMAILED to them, a LONG and time-consuming process,....
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THEN the manuscript--IF it
makes the cut--is evaluated IN-HOUSE, Lisa....
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And of course the WHOLE STAFF must
read it, and that could take a while....
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But I would guess you're
HALFWAY HOME toward acceptance of your manuscript, Lisa!...
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GOOD FORTUNE to you on that
manuscript, my friend!
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Here is, for cosmos, an answer
to the question of word usage level:...
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spotslover2
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Mel, there is very good book
that I use, called "Children's Writer's Word Book," by Alijandra
Mogilner.
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THANKS, spotslover2! That is
the "Bible" of grade-level determination for words and word
usage, cosmos!
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cosmos
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I just received in the mail
today my notebook for my ICL children's book writing course! I'm excited to
begin!
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CONGRATULATIONS, cosmos! And we
wish you GOOD FORTUNE in your writing for children, friend!
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If you are writing a nonfiction
article on a group or tribe/
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How do you go about narrowing a
nonfiction topic?
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I would suggest, with a group
or tribe as you mentioned, wc24,...
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that you write only about ONE
aspect of that group....
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For instance, if you wrote
about the Nez Perce Native Americans,...
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perhaps you would ONLY write an
article about their HOUSING, wc24, their actual living quarters, their
cooking and such, in the article....
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Or you might write just about
their child-raising ideas, for other instance.
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caq
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You could get primary sources in
museums couldn't you? I know my daughter catalogued some in a small local
museum one summer. Had to wear white gloves and use tweezers.
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Yes, YOU BET, caq, and THANK
YOU, Ma'am!
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You may have to view such artifacts
behind glass, but you can see them....
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And sometimes BOOKS are opened
to a certain page to read, a significant page in that book. GOOD info, caq!
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With the push to have children
write on higher levels,
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should we begin to write on
higher levels for children say
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in elementary school?
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mel boring
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No, not really,
wvstoryteller....
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mel boring
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Educators still want you to write
for first-graders, for instance, on a first-grade level of reading
difficulty....
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mel boring
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and so on for the other
grades....
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mel boring
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That's why the book, THE
CHILDREN'S WRITER'S WORD BOOK, by ALijandra Mogilner, is WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN
CHOCOLATE!
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mel boring
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I'll try to bring some more
suggestions for this next week, including a couple of Web sites where you
can check the reading level of your own writing.
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mel boring
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D needs to find out: If you
want to do a book that are plays that you have adapted from children's
literature, what is the procedure for doing this as far as
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from the authors
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mel boring
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Write to the PUBLISHER of the
children's literature, at the address given in any book or other
publication, D....
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And ASK them for permission,
or ask them HOW TO GET permission, WHO to get it from....
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mel boring
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But that is a very important
point. Always find an address for what you are using to write plays, and
get permission in writing....
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mel boring
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By the way, here is an
important "plagiarism" case going on right now:...
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GOOGLE is planning to publish
on the Internet WHOLE BOOKS that are under copyright, without asking, and they
are being taken to court for that by the Writer's Guild and others....
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YAHOO, on the other hand, is
planning the same kind of project, but PLANNING TO SEEK, and even BUY
permission to do it....
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mel boring
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It WOULD be wonderful to find
the ENTIRE text of any BOOK you need for research right on your computer
through the Internet....
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and I believe that WILL
happen, but it will only happen when it is done legally, by seeking
permission from authors and publishers and paying for it.
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AT needs to know: I just
finished assignment #4 which of course is nonfiction. All the resources I
found were from previous books or articles written on the subject. It seems
to me that reading books and articles that others have written and then
using those same books and articles as references is somewhat like
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am rewriting what someone
else has already done. It
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rewording and rearranging.
Am I missing something in the lessons, or is that the way some
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last thing I want to do is
plagiarize
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That's the way nonfiction is
ALWAYS written, AT,...
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by reading books and articles
and using the information in them....
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Otherwise, how would we LEARN
what we must to write a book?...
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BUT THAT IS NOT PLAGIARISM....
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mel boring
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If I read in a book: "The
monarch butterfly caterpillar spends 15 days in its caccoon changing into a
butterfly,"...
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and I COPY THOSE EXACT WORDS,
that is plagiarism....
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mel boring
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But if, in my book or article,
I write: "It takes 15 days for the caterpillar to transform into the
monarch butterfly," that is NOT plagiarism...
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I've put it in my OWN words, and
that is permissible.
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caq
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Mel, my suggestion was for each
of us to make notes in our Magazine Gudes as we get names of editors for
different magazines. For instance I have the science editor for Highlights
written in my guide. If I was into poetry I would put Kim's name in it to.
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Oh, THANKS, caq, GOOD IDEA!...
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mel boring
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I was thinking to get ICL to
include that info in their guidebooks! Your idea is MUCH more practical!
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mel boring
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WOW, I'm WAY overtime, and MUST
go before I turn into a PUMPKIN here!...
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mel boring
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THANK YOU for being here
today, and other questions will appear in next Monday's Announcement
e-mail....
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mel boring
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THIS THURSDAY evening, our
Chat Guest will be Bruce Coville,...
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a children's author that
children LOVE, and you'll see why if you come talk to him Thursday evening.
He is a KICK of a funny person, and I'll looking forward to the interview
myself....
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BYE FOR NOW!
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lisalisa
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Thanks, Mel!
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You are WARMLY WELCOME,
lisalisa, see you Saturday, friend!
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fantasybookwriter
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Thanks Mel and everyone - I
learned quite a bit today
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You are WELCOME as a day in
spring, fantasybookwriter, and MOREPOWERWRITING to you!
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paige
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'Bye...and many thanks, Mel
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Bye, paige, and thank YOU,
friend!
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