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Event start time: Fri Jan 25 20:07:46 2008
Event end time: Fri Jan 25 21:17:45 2008


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janfields January 25: Night Open Forum begins in five minutes. Chat with web editor Jan Fields about anything related to children's writing...in five minutes
janfields January 25: Night Open Forum begins in two minutes. Chat with web editor Jan Fields about anything related to children's writing...in two minutes. Do you know where your manuscripts are?
janfields Welcome to Night Open Forum. I'm delighted to be with y'all tonight and happy to have some questions in the que. I get so winded when I have to tap dance.
janfields Before we jump into the chat. I just want to say...HEY my novel is in the hands of tween girls even as we speak!
janfields DRG sent out copies of my novel with their Creative Girls Club package this month.
janfields I don't know how many...I only found out because someone had emailed to say, "Hey, I have a novel with your name on it -- is it yours?"
janfields Now I'm waiting on my copies so I can wow my eight year old with them.
janfields So, anyway, if the girls love them, I'll be writing a novel a month.
janfields How's that for pressure?
janfields It's called Wellspring of Magic.
janfields If you Google "Wellspring of Magic" and "Jan Fields" you can see the cover...
janfields someone loved it so much they're selling their copy on ebay.
janfields I'm trying not to be crushed by that.
janfields But at least I got to see the finished cover...I had seen the graphic but not the finish.
janfields Ah someone asks how I can write a novel so quickly.
janfields I outline.
janfields I have about 6 of them thoroughly outlined, chapter by chapter so I know what has to be accomplished by each chapter.
janfields And I have very specific character sketches, so I make sure I keep up with details of the characters.
janfields The finished novels are also 20,000 words, which is on the short side.
janfields I had to come up with a number of outlines for future books months ago when the project was planned.
janfields Work for hire is very weird...not really like regular publishing process.
janfields But still, cool in it's own way.
janfields It took me about a day to do each outline.
janfields Really when I came up with the series, I was full of ideas for different things it could do.
janfields And by the time I finished one...I was really just riding the flow, so I didn't have trouble with the outlines.
janfields But they will change some as I write.
janfields With the one that's out now, I had to make some changes from the outline when the tension seemed flat or I didn't have enough action.
janfields Or when I wanted to explore more about a character.
janfields Outlines can't become too rigid or the book won't thrive.
janfields Now...let me hit the que questions.
janfields PJ: I've seen a couple of comments from guest speakers about the first part of the year being a slow time for acceptances. Is there a better or worse time of the year for submitting book-length manuscripts?
janfields Basically, the period from late October to December can be challenging.
janfields Many editors are fitting vacations into that time...so it can be hard for acquisitions decisions to be made.
janfields And a lot of manuscripts come in during that time.
janfields Which is why things are slow right now...editors are catching up.
janfields Amazingly there is a real lull (most of the time) during the summer.
janfields So you'll often get a quicker response because there isn't quite so much pressure.
janfields And the early fall can be good -- Sept and October, at least, I've always seen things moving fairly fast then.
janfields But it's all kind of nebulous...because the perfect time for YOU can come the day before Christmas.
janfields I've heard of acceptance phone calls coming in December.
janfields I got my agent call practically right on top of Thanksgiving, as I remember.
janfields So don't hold a manuscript thinking -- summer is better, summer is better.
janfields Really, the time to send is when you have the absolute best thing possible TO send.
janfields But those general fast/slow times do occur, so that gives you an idea of when they are.
janfields And, of course, some publishers only open their doors for a brief time a year...like ummm Carol Rhoda (is that spelled right?) and Blooming Tree.
janfields Anyway, for those publishers, the "right" time is a little easier to define :-)
janfields Oh, right after either of the HUGE SCBWI conferences can be a really tough time
janfields Because those conferences always result in the FLOOD of manuscripts.
janfields Again, lots of manuscripts in can be slower responses out.
janfields Patti: Can two books have the same title? How can I find out if someone else has a book by my title?
janfields Technically, a title serves as a kind of unregistered "trademark" for your book
janfields So it's good to have something attention getting.
janfields But realistically, there are a lot of books with the same title.
janfields Especially with genre titles since things like "Mystery" or "Secret" or key fantasy phrases can be so ubiquitous
janfields You can use a title someone else used...that's legal
janfields As long as your book is markedly different -- otherwise they might have some trademark recourse...maybe
janfields But if your book is in the same genre with the same (of nearly the same) title, you stand a chance of confusion.
janfields So you might do a school visit, but the parents accidentally buy the book by Author B since it's the same title.
janfields If you want to know if your title is in use, AMAZON.COM works as an excellent "books in print" resource
janfields since they basically list every book with an isbn number
janfields or pretty near...including some books recently out of print.
janfields So, just put your title in the search function and see what's out there like it.
janfields Then decide if you want to go with it anyway.
tessa Do you ever resubmit a story to the same mag 2 years later?
janfields I never have.
janfields But I would.
janfields If I felt the story was really really perfect for the magazine
janfields and I knew why they rejected me, and I'd fixed that issue.
janfields Generally if I resubmit, I do it right away.
janfields I actually do the very very very very very very evil thing
janfields I resubmit sometimes...just sometimes...
janfields when I have not been invited to
janfields If they gave very clear reasons for the rejection
janfields And I totally understood their reasoning and accepted it.
janfields And if I felt I had fixed the problem.
janfields But I don't do that lightly because although editors don't have HUGE memories.
janfields They will remember people who annoy them.
janfields So it's a risk I'll take only if I'm pretty sure the revision won't annoy the editor.
janfields Because usually an editor who is helping you...well, they usually figure you're not going to do the revision right and don't really want to get into a back-and-forth revision relationship
janfields Not when they haven't accepted the piece.
janfields So mostly they're offering advice for you to try out and inflict on a DIFFERENT editor.
janfields Tami: I'm considering doing some kind of how-to article for one of my assignments. What are the most popular kinds of how-to articles for children?
janfields The most popular how-to articles are for activities...science related usually.
janfields Editors love hands-on learning activities.
janfields Especially when they're fun.
janfields These aren't the most PLENTIFULLY PUBLISHED how-tos, but they are the most wanted
janfields because editors get so few of them that they really like.
janfields Because a science activitiy needs to be unusual
janfields cheap and easy to do
janfields and needs to work consistently.
janfields It's no good if it doesn't work when the kid does it.
janfields Now, the most plentifully published how-to is probably the craft how-to.
janfields For tweens/teens these are usually fashion related.
janfields Or give related.
janfields For younger kids, they might be artsy or make a toy.
janfields Again, they must be cheap, relatively easy, and work.
janfields They also have to have a feeling of uniqueness.
janfields So don't just buy a kit and then try to sell a how-to on how to buy and work a kit.
janfields I have actually seen folks do that...not a good how-to.
janfields The third most used how-to is the recipe.
janfields Most kid recipes are about assembling ingredients rather than cooking.
janfields And "assemble" recipe is safer -- no ovens.
janfields if the recipe is seasonal or holiday...it's even a bigger hit.
rainchain I have seen some mags looking for how to outside games for
rainchain kids lately to inspire exercise and health
janfields Health and exercise is huge lately.
janfields Magazines do want to inspire kids to get outside.
janfields So even science activities will sell better if they can be done outside.
janfields And outdoor games are often grouped together with a magazine doing an article featuring several games.
janfields I've seen that many times in Family Fun, for example.
janfields Again...keep it simple, not a lot of unusual equipment
janfields Tami: Does a how-to article need a bibliography? If so, should I tell where I got the idea?
janfields If you got the idea by copying it out of another source, like a book or magazine...um, that's an issue.
janfields Editors don't want an idea copied from somewhere else.
janfields Though your idea may be inspired by something else.
janfields For example, my daughter and I are working on a board game inspired by a number of different games.
janfields But something like that would not need a bibliography.
janfields If your how-to is similar enough to something else to where you feel the need for a bibliography, chances are you need to come up with something more original
janfields perhaps springing from that idea...but going well beyond it.
monkee Why are editors asking for jpeg format for pictures? Isn't
monkee tiff better because it's lossless compression?
janfields I expect you're dealing with what editors are familiar with
janfields and what works across the board in the most software.
janfields Virtually anyone can create a jpg...every single image software has that option.
janfields But some of the skimpy programs may not do a tiff
janfields And honestly, I would guess some editors don't know what a tiff is.
janfields Editors tend to be a lot like writers.
janfields They understand their computer to the extent they need to
janfields but not beyond that.
janfields So, give the editor what they want.
coloradokate My regional SCBWI folks have asked me to collect links and articles and to write a do's and don't's article on critique groups for our new website. Any ideas?
janfields Do you want my dos and don'ts or my suggestions for links and articles?
janfields We have some good crit articles here on the icl site in the Writers Support/Networking section.
janfields One of the absolute "dos" is making sure everyone is on the same page before you get started.
janfields If some folks think crits should only be stated positively...they'll be hurt by someone pointing out flaws more bluntly.
janfields And watch for crit hogs.
janfields Some folks want to be critiqued but not give critiques.
janfields Sometimes they fret that they're not good enough to give crits.
janfields But the end result is the same, the group feels taken advantage of when some members get but don't give.
janfields Critique groups can be wonderful.
janfields But when they don't work out...it's almost never the things you think you should worry about...
janfields like protecting each other's ideas...
janfields usually it's personality conflicts more than anything else.
janfields Folks who have different expectations for the group than what it provides so communication early and clearly really is key.
soradina What do you do when you get stuck working on an idea?
janfields I don't get stuck a lot.
janfields But when it does happen, I just stop and I'll return to the idea later when I'm doing dishes
janfields Or in the shower.
janfields Somehow warm water seems to figure into a lot of my writer's block cures.
janfields Anyway, I find that working on the problem away from the computer
janfields when doing something else...often lets me think through the problem better.
janfields I know some folks who go running (folks who aren't me)...and find the combination of activity and gentle teasing at the idea really helps.
janfields And sometimes I just work on something else...usually something odious...
janfields that often makes the block break just to get away from the icky stuff.
jan_fields sunshineday: what happens when you have a great idea for a story and know all the exciting, conflict and cliffhangers but the middle of the story is the problem?
janfields I actually have a book where that happened...it was going so well...then it just kerflumped.
janfields No, I have two manuscripts like that.
janfields In one I even know how it should end, but the middle sucks and I can't fix i.
janfields it
janfields I think the ultimate problem with both was that the characters were beginning to drift out of the personalities...I was holding them to the framework of the plot idea I had
janfields and they were resisting it.
janfields And as a result, I finally hit a wall...they just stopped feeling really real
janfields and strong in the scenes.
janfields When I had that problem in the book that's out right now.
janfields I stopped and spent time going back over the characters (its an ensemble cast)
janfields And I started asking...would she really do this.
janfields And I found spots where the honest answer was...no
janfields And so I had to rework the plot...even in scenes I liked
janfields until the characters got back in the groove of very clear personality.
janfields And then I found that although I "lost" some of my real cool preplanning
janfields I got better stuff instead and I still reached the story end goal strongly.
janfields So, you might try going back to character.
soradina What do you to get motivated to write?
janfields I get nagged by my husband.
janfields It's very motivating.
janfields He knows that no one will pay for stuff I don't write.
janfields And he really likes it when I get paid.
janfields But, beyond that...I actually love to write though some of the projects I work on are not my favorites.
janfields So usually, really, motivation isn't a problem as much as fear is
janfields I get worried that I can't pull something off and I start thinking I should go watch Dr. Who
janfields Or clean the bathroom.
janfields And then I just have to make myself work sometimes.
janfields It can be like herding cats, though, because I really resist things that scare me.
janfields But that's how I grow as a writer...sometimes I write things that suck really badly.
janfields But I learn from that...it's not pleasant, but it's very...um Marine Corps
janfields That which does not kill me, makes me write better :-)
soradina so money is your motivator then?
janfields Naw, money is my husband's motivator.
janfields I love the idea of kids reading my work
janfields Or writers reading something I wrote and being helped by it.
janfields Sure, forcing yourself is tough and you don't write as smoothly and flowingly...
janfields and sometimes ... WELL
janfields when you force it.
janfields But sometimes it can be all that stands between you and a nice long fear-induced block.
janfields I'm a firm believer in force because otherwise your fear will convince you
janfields that you can only write when the muse is with you
janfields or when things are flowing
janfields or when it clicks.
janfields Hey, muses, flow and click are WONDERFUL and sometimes it works like that.
janfields But if I only write then...the time between writing will tend to grow longer and longer.
jaquelyn Assignment 4 nonfiction: can it go over 1000 words?
janfields If I'm your instructor, sure.
janfields I like to see folks take as long as it takes to do a good job.
janfields But you need to stay at least reasonably within the word counts in the course
janfields Because ... well, for practical reasons, you're instructor is getting paid on the average amouhnt of time to complete that range of word count crit
janfields If you go way over...the instructor has to make a choice...
janfields not crit it all or crit it for free.
janfields That can be a tough choice. Now, I critique it all...within reason.
janfields I had one student send like...25 pages.
janfields That's a little excessive, ya know.
janfields So anyway...yes, you can fudge a bit beyond the manual word count but try not to stretch much.
janfields It's really really really really really hard to sell nonfiction of 1000 words, by the way.
janfields The average word count for nonfiction in magazines for kids (and teens) these days is 500 words.
janfields So, if you want to sell it. You probably don't want to stretch too much anyway.
monkee Terrible - what do you do when your characters in writing
monkee prompts keep expiring? What does this mean?
janfields Eek...maybe you need to feed them more.
janfields Thank you all for coming and chatting with me.

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