Writer's Support Room - Open Forum Transcripts

Event start time: Fri Jun 29 19:58:37 2007
Event end time: Fri Jun 29 21:00:05 2007


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janfields FRIDAY NIGHT OPEN FORUM begins in five minutes -- it's open topic so all writing questions are valid. What would you like to know? Join us in the Auditorium in five minutes.
janfields FRIDAY NIGHT OPEN FORUM with webeditor Jan Fields begins in two minutes. I'm looking forward to chatting with you -- in two minutes.
janfields WELCOME to FRIDAY NIGHT OPEN FORUM. All writing questions are allowed so put your typing fingers on and let me know what you want to know...first though, let me post a little help with how to ask questions...
janfields If you want to ask a question and be sure it has a chance to be posted, you'll need to use either the "ask a question" button on the bar across the middle of your screen. OR type /ask...then space once and type your question. That passes the question to me and I can post it for answer. If you type the question in the bar at the bottom of your screen, I may not see it.
janfields I know that's kind of long.
janfields But the key is to preface any question with /ask
janfields That's slash followed by ask
janfields That sends the question directly to me so I can que it for transcript.
janfields I try to watch for questioned posted and port them over, but sometimes I miss.
janfields Okay...I've already got questions (yay) so I'm going to jump right in.
monkee How do you query markets to sell reprints?
janfields First, it helps to know if a magazine buys reprints.
janfields A lot of the big, higher paying magazines don't
janfields But a lot of the parenting magazines do
janfields And many web magazines do.
janfields Once you know that they do, you just pitch the piece like you would any article or story.
janfields But you mention at the end of the letter, that you're offering the article or story as "a reprint"
janfields And tell the publication that ran it the first time.
janfields It wouldn't be a "repitch" because it's the first time you've ever pitched that piece to that magazine
janfields So it's fresh for them.
janfields And they don't mind that it's at the end.
janfields Usually any information about right will go at the end of a query or cover.
janfields The only thing they really want to know is if their target audience has already read the piece.
janfields So if you sold the article to say...Miami Parents (which I just made up)
janfields It wouldn't do to then pitch it to Dade County parents because there would be too much overlap in readership
janfields The second magazine wouldn't want it
janfields But you could try...South Carolina parents...or some other totally separate readership magazine.
monkee Is there such a thing as second reprint rights, etc.?
janfields A reprint is just a reprint...it means...hey, y'all aren't the first folks to reprint this.
janfields Now, technically, you're supposed to tell them who has had the piece before.
janfields So obviously if that means you're making a big ol' long list
janfields That's going to make the article or story a LOT less appealing.
janfields But for people who take reprints...having had it run in a couple non competing magazines
janfields is really no big deal.
janfields Religious magazines are another group that will sometimes take reprints.
janfields And sometimes educational.
janfields But the number of markets taking reprints is getting much smaller
janfields Magazines are requesting more and more rights.
janfields I actually do know folks who've sold the same basic article up to six times.
janfields But they sometimes get around it by "tailoring" the piece to the new market...making some changes to it.
janfields Then you simply have to say something like: "I've written about Florida travel for ..." and list all the markets.
janfields That makes it sound like you're just well published
janfields rather than making it sound like you're trying to sell them something really old and dusty.
janfields And odds are the piece will need some freshening up by the second reprint anyway.
janfields If you add material or add research or rewrite...it's not a reprint.
janfields It is a derivative work, but it's not a reprint
janfields By you do have to have made substantive changes...not just changing a charater name from Ralph to George (for example)...that wouldn't be enough to get you out of being a reprint.
janfields So...did that pretty much cover reprint for you?
monkee Do any of the students of ICL and faculty ever meet -- do you have conferences?
janfields Actually no...sad to say.
janfields I think it's because the whole conference thing is so well covered.
janfields And a lot of ICL instructors DO speak at conferences...just not conferences by ICL.
janfields I've run into other instructors at writing retreats and at conferences.
janfields I've known of some who spoke at Highlights's workshops.
janfields But with SCBWI doing conferences, and Highlights, and sometimes colleges.
janfields I guess ICL didn't feel like we need more conferences.
janfields And ICL instructors are scattered all over the US and beyond.
janfields But it surely would be fun.
janfields It would be fun for students to meet too...but again...I've got students in South America
janfields Canada (lots)
janfields Central America
janfields India
janfields Hmmm...Spain...I know I have Spain
janfields And all over the US
janfields So it would be hard to pick a spot for the conference where enough students could afford the trip.
soradina How many students does each ICL instructor have?
janfields It actually depends on the instructor
janfields We don't have a "preset" required amount.
janfields I have a couple hundred, myself, but I treach several courses.
janfields teach...not treach.
janfields And you have to remember that only a couple submit anything at any one time
janfields So I'm never ever overwhelmed with a kazillion student files.
janfields I always have lots of time to spend with each student's work.
janfields I can honestly say I've never felt rushed and I never keep a students assignment more than a couple days.
janfields The institute works very hard to make sure we never feel swamped
janfields because they don't want us rushing to get done.
janfields Student pay a lot for this, and the institute is really serious about instructors giving each student the time and attention needed.
janfields I always try to think about what I would like to get from an instructor if I were a student and give that much and more.
soradina Jan please tell us what you do to analyze a story to see if
soradina it meets the guidelines that the magazine editor is looking
soradina for
janfields My experience has been that editors are way vague about what they are looking for.
janfields Take Highlights for example.
janfields They tell you they don't take violence
janfields or anything that glorifies crime.
janfields But they don't tell you that means no name calling
janfields And no kids playing pirate
janfields So some things I pick up by reading the magazine
janfields And by being rejected a lot.
janfields I've been writing for magazines for a long time...since the mid 80s
janfields So although I've sold a lot, I've gotten rejected hundreds of times too.
janfields And thankfully, many (if not most) of those rejections told me why.
janfields So I built up a store of knowledge about the magazines.
janfields Plus, I read voraciously on the discussion boards, mailing lists, newsletters, market guides.
janfields All the info adds up to give me a clear picture of what the magazine wants.
janfields And I've begun to develop "instincts" that are hard to explain but where I think something "sounds" like a given magazine.
janfields But in the first years...I scored a lot less often.
janfields But even though rejection really stinks...it's also telling you things (except when it's just frustrating you within an inch of your life)
janfields So, I try to break down my story into "element"
janfields For example...I am sending off a story with these elements:
janfields a mystery
janfields two boy characters
janfields An adult who thinks all boys are looking for trouble and prone to steal.
janfields A Southern summer setting.
janfields Now, with those elements, I can eliminate certain things.
janfields Some magazines won't want summer stories simply because they go on summer hiatus.
janfields Some magazines won't want boy main characters.
janfields Some magazines won't like that the adult is wrong...really really wrong and the kids are the ones who are respectful and honest.
janfields So I eliminate those magazines...even if I know they like mysteries.
janfields I also have length as an issue...I cut the story really short to try to make a sale to one magazine...but it didn't work short.
janfields So I needed a magazine that would accept over 1200 words.
janfields So, the key is to be able to list every single thing you can think of about your story.
janfields setting
janfields time period
janfields character
janfields conflict
janfields length
janfields ages of all characters
janfields tone
janfields And then think about what you know from reading magazines -- which magazines have you NEVER seen boy characters?
janfields Or a small town setting>
janfields Or boy characters
janfields etc.
author2006 /how do mag publishers monitor if your story was a hit?
janfields If you generated reader mail...especially positive reader mail...they love you.
janfields If the editor (and the other editors) just really liked it...that counts for a lot.
janfields If parents wrote in to complain about the story...that loses points.
janfields But a lot of times, magazines just don't know.
janfields Though it's surprising how many times a story does generate reader mail.
janfields I have actually gotten "fan letters" from magazine work.
janfields And once I got an "anti-fan" letter from magazine work.
janfields The older your readership, actually, the more likely a story/article is to generate fan/reader mail.
jitterbug If you take a 2nd course can you request the same instructor
janfields You sure can, if that instructor teaches the second course.
janfields Again, the Institute won't add you if the instructor already has a full load for that course...but most of the time, they'll try to fit you i
janfields in
janfields I am not actually sure when this next question came in...it may have been around a while.
janfields But I'll try it anyway.
jitterbug What would be a good mag to send a manuscript on trips to?
janfields If I wanted to do a piece on travel, I would send it to a regional magazine.
janfields They use a lot of travel
janfields And they often get very few submissions relative to the "world" of magazines.
janfields Also, airline magazines buy travel pieces, but almost all upscale yuppie travel.
janfields Normal people travel tends to be regionals.
janfields And travel with kids is HUGELY popular with regional parenting magazines.
janfields Which you can find a wonderful list of all the websites for parenting magazines at
janfields http://www.parentingpublications.org
janfields Many (if not most) have writers guidelines on the site.
janfields The link for the parenting magazine web links is actually buried in the middle of the front page text
janfields on the parenting publications of america site.
janfields I just saw that the other day and thought...wow, a goldmine.
coloradokate As a follow-up to jitterbug's question about instructors for graduate courses: is it possible to get on a waiting list for a particular instructor?
janfields I actually don't know
janfields I know the Institute tends to resist that kind of thing
janfields because if you make folks wait, they might think up all the reasons why they shouldn't take the course
janfields Including fear
janfields So the Institute tries to match you to an instructor right away and get you going while you've got some forward momentum.
janfields But if you really really wanted a specific instructor...you might be able to get them to ask the instructor
janfields But none of us have waiting lists
janfields I know I don't
janfields Of course...there could be a reason for that.
janfields [Jan blinks away a paranoid fog]
janfields Soooooo...that's all the questions in my que...anyone wanna ask something?
janfields Did anyone read the enews today -- didja like it?
janfields Not that I'm begging for positive reinforcement.
janfields much.
soradina When you get a rejection what is the first thing you do?
janfields Well, first I feel the fog of gloom
janfields The one that makes you feel like your writing sucks.
janfields But that usually passes after the first handful of M&Ms
janfields Then I read the manuscript and see if I can figure out why it was rejected -- assuming the letter didn't just tell me.
janfields If I see a flaw that I missed before mailing it (which happens more often than I like admitting) I fix it.
janfields Then I choose the next market
janfields And decide I'll send it there.
janfields Then I leave it on my desk for a week while I get up the energy to submit it.
janfields I recommend y'all skip that step.
janfields Then I mail it back out.
soradina I read your e-news today and I liked your article on
soradina plotting novels
janfields Awww...thank you/.
janfields I mean, yeah, I begged for a compliment but still...thank you.
janfields Actualy I get a lot of nice email about the eNews.
janfields But still...I'm delicate and insecure :-)
cathie I'm confused about biblios and sources. Isn't a bibliography a list of sources? Why would someone say to not put page #s in the biblio: to add them to the source notes?
janfields Hmmm...I usually put the page numbers in everything.
janfields Now...for some (very very few) nonfiction pieces
janfields when I've had literally dozens of sources
janfields I have had to tell exactly what page/specific source each fact came from.
janfields So if I used...say a magazine article
janfields and one fact came from one page
janfields and another from another
janfields I would be sourcing them separately for the fact checker.
janfields But that's incredibly rare...and I've never had to do it for kid's magazines.
janfields Though there was a kid's nonfiction book project that I almost took on
janfields That would have required it.
janfields But otherwise, if I'm only using ten pages out a big honking book, I put that right in my bibliography
janfields But if I'm asked to do specific source notes
janfields they will source fact by fact to specific pages.
janfields Again, I haven't had to do that much.
janfields And only when I'm going to get paid a lot.
janfields Cause that's a pain.
coloradokate I liked the "Thicker Skin" article... it made me think of Jane Yolen's TAKE JOY, which I've only just dipped into.
janfields Oh wow...even a kinda sorta comparison to TAKE JOY makes me really giddy.
janfields I love that book.
janfields I highly recommend it to everyone.
janfields Thanks
soradina When you cite your interviewer in an article what is the
soradina proper way to give credit. Do you include their position
soradina and where they work?
janfields I give the person's name
janfields Their credentials...which is likely to include their position and where they work
janfields but might not.
janfields Though really, usually does.
janfields I also have to give the publisher enough info so they can contact that source
janfields So phone number and email address are vital...unless the person doesn't have one or the other.
janfields Mailing address is less important...though general location is often needful.
janfields So, if I'm interviewing a pediatrician, say, for an article on eczema in kids
janfields I need to tell that he's a pediatrican and hopefully that he has a specialty in skin or allergy conditions
janfields Or both.
janfields But the editor really doesn't care what group he practices with
janfields Though she'll want his contact info for contacting.
janfields Did that make sense, sort of?
janfields If you have to err...err on the side of giving too much information.
janfields I've never had an editor say...gosh, Jan, you give us way too much info in your bibliographies.
hazelnut What do you write more of, fiction or nonfiction?
janfields I write more nonfiction.
janfields But for kids, I write more fiction.
janfields These days, a lot of my writing is about writing.
janfields So I crank out a huge amount of nonfiction on writing
janfields But not a lot on kid's nonfiction topics.
janfields Though I'm researching for an article for Highlights on a specific explorer I just learned about.
janfields I tend to do kid nonfiction only when a topic really grabs me
janfields I'm actually the same way about fiction...but fiction plot ideas just grab me more often than nonfiction topics.
janfields I get ASKED to do a lot of writing articles though so I don't have to be grabbed.
janfields Just poked once in a while.
janfields Okay...we're coming down to the wire.
janfields I wanted to remind y'all that we're having ANOTHER open forum this coming Tuesday
janfields Which is probably really doofy timing with the fourth of July this week
janfields But I'll be delighted if y'all want to come and ask more questions for that.
janfields And I want to thank you so much for asking questions tonight.

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