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Event start time: Tue May 09 12:57:35 2006
Event end time: Tue May 09 14:03:32 2006


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janfields Join us today in the AUDITORIUM-Scheduled Events Room for Open Forum. Today's topic is RESEARCH. Come and join in five minutes from now.
janfields Today's Open Forum on the topic of "RESEARCH" will begin shortly. While you wait for chat to begin, feel free to use your ASK A QUESTION button RIGHT BETWEEN THE YELLOW “MAP” AND THE RED QUESTION MARK IN ICHAT to post some questions or comments on how to research, where to research,or research editors want to see, etc. Chat will begin two minutes from now.
janfields Hi, and welcome to Open Forum. I'm your host/moderator, Jan Fields -- and we're here to chat about RESEARCH. If you want to ask a question or make a comment and be sure I see it and that it makes it all the way to transcript...you'll need to use either the "ask a question" button on the bar across the middle of your screen. OR type a backslash / followed immediately by the word ask...then space once and type your question. That passes the question to me and I can post it. Now, let's get going.
janfields Research can mean different things...
janfields It's research when I take a walk in the woods...
janfields and take notes on my sensory impressions...
janfields to make my scenes more "real"....
janfields And it's also research when I read books and magazines targetting my reader agegroup...
janfields And it's research when I study a specific subject with the idea in mind to create nonfiction on that topic.
janfields Some publishers -- like educational nonfiction publishers...
janfields such as Lucent...
janfields require lots of research...many sources.
janfields Some publishers...like Dutton...don't even ASK you about your sources...
janfields for nonfiction.
janfields They count on the author to CARE about authenticity...
janfields and do that amount of research needed to be accurate.
janfields That hasn't always brought about good results.
janfields And the fact that commerical publishers don't demand enough sources is one reason children's books have gotten a bad rep
janfields in terms of accuracy...
janfields even though children's education nonfiction tends to be MORE demanding...
janfields in terms of research than adult publishing.
gladys1 Jan can you give us the address for some educational publishers please
janfields I can't do it from memory...sadly enough...
janfields But I will look some up...and add them into this spot in the transcript for this chat...
janfields CAPSTONE PRESS, INC (Request author brochure with SASE, then send query letter, resume, samples of nonfiction writing)
151 Good Counsel Drive, P.O. Box 669, Mankato MN 55438.

Enslow Publishing has very specific guidelines that you need to send for first --
Box 398, 40 Industrial Road, Berkeley Heights NJ 07922

Facts on File has guidelines online (which is always nice.)
Lucent Books accepts queries with resumes.
Attn: Publisher — Lucent, 15822 Bernardo Center Drive, Ste. C, San Diego, CA 92127

janfields I once tried out for a LUCENT book, by the way...
janfields And was accepted...
janfields but the level of research required was so HUGE that I just couldn't...
janfields see myself fitting it into my schedule...
janfields And I had trouble with the money vs. amount of work time.
janfields But publishers like Lucent, Pebble Books, Capstone...are always looking
janfields for good writers...
janfields especially writers who LIKE research...
janfields and can write really short, tight prose.
janfields Now...let me take a teeny break...
janfields Cause I forgot to do my good news stuff
janfields And I LOVE my GOOD NEWS stuff.
janfields So...bear with me while I do my fun part...
janfields GOOD NEWS -- Vettemon is back in the race! After some health issues I have picked myself up..brushed my butt off..ready to fight again! Thank you for your good thoughts and prayers! Soon you will all have Vetty to kick around again. :) And me to you!!
janfields I'm so glad Vetty is back among us...and so sorry she's not been well.
janfields So that is good news to have her back.
janfields GOOD NEWS -- CONNIE: My poem, "Who Won?" has been scheduled to the September 2006 issue of SPIDER. Also, HOPSCOTCH will publish my poem, "Quick Little Mouse," in their October 2006 issue
janfields Wow...Spider and Hopscotch...great.
janfields Poetry can be such an excellent way to build credits...
janfields If you're good at light verse...
janfields and Clearly Connie is...YEAH CONNIE.
janfields Okay...back to the research thing...
janfields JR: Should I cite the research books as well as acknowledge the historians & archivists whose information assisted in the historical accuracy of the manuscript?
janfields In book length nonfiction for COMMERICAL publishers....
janfields people who gave you personal help...
janfields are usually thanked in the acknowledgements...
janfields which serve as a kind of source list.
janfields Many times, you don't get a real bibliography or source list in the book.
janfields In educational book publishing, you often don't get acknowledgements pages...
janfields but you do have a bibliography which lists all sources...
janfields In magazines, you list EVERYONE in the bibliography/source list that you send.
janfields Because editors like to see your sources.
janfields But you'll not get to actually thank anyone in print unless you're going with a commerical publisher (most of the time).
janfields Now...if you had an "expert" review your manuscript for authenticity...
janfields You will put that in your cover letter...
janfields Whether you're writing a book or a magazine article.
janfields Having your manuscript reviewed for authenticity by an expert is a huge drawing point.
janfields IF the expert happens to be kin to you (your sister/husband/mom/etc) -- don't mention the kinship connection in the cover letter...
janfields just the expert's name, credentials...and the fact that he/she reviewed it.
little lulu Do educational publishers provide the author with a letter or some proof that they wrote the book to show other editors?
janfields Educational publishers put your name on the books.
janfields You don't get to acknowledge experts...but you do get a byline.
janfields I don't actually know of any educational publisher that totally doesn't give a byline.
janfields NOW...
janfields having said that...
janfields Time for Kids says that "editors at Time for Kids" are the writers for all the books
janfields So obviously the individual isn't getting a byline there...
janfields but it's possible it really is a group effort of some sort.
caq I would love to get into NF because I love to research, but my resources are so limited. Poorly stocked libraries, not any universities, really no place to get info except the web, which I dodge. Because of this I have only done one for lesson 9. I email interviewed for a story for lesson 10 for accuracy. I have purchased books for reference possibilities. What else can you do? ...
caq (added to previous question #15961) spending money on trips is not possible because you don't get paid enough to make up the cost if you do sell it. How do you get access to reputable sources in if a black hole for research?
janfields I know some folks who do nonfiction for educational publishers from really
janfields really really
janfields rural locations.
janfields With really poor libraries.
janfields The web can be a great jumping off spot for locating the actual names of resources you need.
janfields So you don't want to avoid it...you just need to think of it as a "jumping off" point.
janfields For example, when I was doing my article on carnivorous butterflies...
janfields I used the web to find the name of the researchers studying the butterflies RIGHT NOW.
janfields Then I found the institution backing them.
janfields And I contacted it...
janfields Universities and such have PR departments and you can contact them via email.
janfields Then once you have the PR department...they can muscle the expert into talking to you.
janfields Also, the web can make you aware of locations for say...historical events.
janfields And then you can use the web to find the contact information for...
janfields this historical societies near those events.
janfields I know MANY writers who have used historical societies for "long distance' research.
janfields Often the society is excited to share information and will actually mail you copies of the primary sources they are holding in their ocllections
janfields And many times there are statewide loan systems to get books through libraries...as long as you know the book's title and author.
janfields Which you can learn via the web.
janfields So...I start EVERYTHING with the web...then launch out.
janfields Now DREAMER asked if you need to send sources for heavily researched fiction...
janfields Not exactly...
janfields Most publishers don't want to see it.
janfields However, if you are writing historical fiction...
janfields for magazines...
janfields the editor will want to see your sources...
janfields because magazines can be much more a stickler for accuracy.
janfields For a commerical book publisher, it is usually enough to say something like...
janfields I have always been fascinated by the Civil War, and much of this novel is rooted in my research into that time period...
janfields And the editor pretty much just assumes you're not making that up.
janfields Again...that has caused problems for commerical publishers, but they still haven't changed their way of doing it.
caq I have been told over and over, that getting info via email doesn't hold up for most publishers, as well as info from the web, which is why I have pretty much given up NF. So we can contact people to receive info via email or snail mail and use the web?
janfields Yeah, in a way, the web is part of your "chain of evidence"
janfields You found the person's name via the web, or the address of the historical society (and even sometimes a list of their holdings)
janfields And then you used that information to contact them.
janfields The fact that you started with the web probably won't even go into your source list.
janfields After all...your source is say...Dr. Benjamin Brilliant, historical researcher and author of blah, blah, blah -- the editor doesn't need to know that you FOUND him originally because of research on the web.
janfields The editor just wants to know his credentials for being a source.
janfields And if he's got good creds...the editor accepts it.
janfields I don't copy from websites.
janfields Pretty much...ever.
janfields But I do use the "source lists" that I find online to track down books.
janfields I know one author Kelly Milner Hall who wrote a book on mummified dinosaurs.
janfields She FOUND nearly all her sources by joining a Palentology list serve
janfields But from there...she collected sources...
janfields names of experts in the fields and what organization backed them
janfields Names of books that experts agreed were top sources.
janfields And her end sources were impecable...but she launched into finding them using the web.
janfields Otherwise she would have gone broke since these guys were all over the world.
caq In response to Dreamer77 and the fiction with the sources. I did a fictional story and I interviewed 2 psychologists in NYC via email and a local state trooper investigator specializing in my topic for accuracy. I only mentioned it in my cover letter , no bibliography.
janfields Right...editors love a brief mention of stuff like that in a cover...
janfields it makes you look more serious and credible...
janfields and makes an editor take notice.
momx2 jan would you give an example of historical fiction
janfields Well, technically Gone with the Wind is historical fiction.
janfields Historical Fiction is GENERALLY defined
janfields As fiction taking place BEFORE the birth of your reading audience.
janfields So even a novel where the protagonist's father is off fighting in Vietnam would be historical fiction.
janfields And a novel like Bud, Not Buddy is historical fiction because it's not today.
janfields And it's not within the life span of your reader.
janfields Though it may be within the lifespan of the writer Buttermilk Hill, for example, takes place when I was a kid.
janfields The 1960s...so it doesn't exactly feel HISTORICAL to me, but it does to the middle grade readers for whom the author wrote it.
little lulu What is the estimated time needed to write an educational book from beginning to end that needs considerable research?
janfields Ah...that's another fun part of historical fiction for educational markets...
janfields they don't give you long to write them.
janfields Often a matter of months.
janfields Which means you don't do ANYTHING ELSE while you're writing the book.
janfields And it helps if you write about subjects that you already have a fair bit of familiarity.
caq So if you use the web, you can contact the source to get info and then use the source in your bibliography or do you use the source and the web site address?
janfields I try to avoid using ANY web references in my sources or bibliography...
janfields the web points me at the sources I need...
janfields then I get my library to order them (if books)
janfields Or I contact historical societies and get copies of stuff (which can cost money but usually not a lot...they mostly just want to be paid back for expenses)
janfields Or I contact the PR department at museums or universities and get them to have the source contact me.
janfields And then I often work via phone at least once.
janfields Editors like it if you talked to the person on the phone once.
janfields And then I list the source him/herself and their organization, etc.
janfields And I do not list the websites of the organizations.
caq How do you come up with good questions to ask in an interview, email interview or person to person? I have a topic, should I research it first and then come up with questions that I have from that?
janfields Yeah, before I contact human beings, I make sure I know a lot about the topic.
janfields That way the person (1) won't talk over my head too much...
janfields Though I often have to get scientists to explain things a couple times...
janfields Cause they talk over my head pretty easily.
janfields And it also helps me ask smart questions.
janfields Sources can get annoyed if they feel like you're coming to them too cold.
janfields And that's one place where an initial phone interview can be nice...
janfields because you can repeat back what the source said...kind of paraphrasing in your own words...
janfields and be sure you are understanding him/her.
janfields Then you can often follow up with more questions via email...I always try to get an email address.
janfields Because phone calls can get expensive.
janfields And because...well....I hate talking on the phone.
caq If you did an interview(s) and you didn't use info from that (those) interview(s), do you still list them in your bibliography?
janfields No, I usually don't
janfields There are times when an interview turns out to be sort of a dud.
janfields But if the person pointed you toward more sources...then I might include them in a source list...it's hard to say.
janfields But some folks are just soooooo jargony, that it's hard to get good stuff out of them.
janfields And some people have an agenda and it's tough to get past that.
janfields So sometimes interviews do turn out not to be useful.
caq If you did an interview and the person wants to see it before submitting it, and wants changes that you know are not proper for your article, what do you do? Also, do you tell the publisher the interviewee has read and approved your article?
janfields If the changes are for accuracy...I make them.
janfields If the changes hurt the article...I sometimes try to work around them...
janfields For example, if a researcher didn't want something revealled that he had told me...
janfields I usually won't reveal it.
janfields Actually...I have never revealled it.
janfields But sometimes folks want to "change history" and don't want their town...
janfields or organization painted in a bad (though accurate) light...
janfields in that case, if it's important to the article to reveal that truth...I would go with it.
janfields And if someone reviews my manuscript and doesn't make bad changes, yes, I always mention that in the cover letter.
janfields The fact checkers love it.
gladys1 would you do the phone interview before or after the e-mail interview
janfields I kinda go with my feelings...but overall...if I'm going to do a phone interview, I make that first contact.
janfields Okay...I wanted to give you guys two great
janfields places to
janfields find the right way to cite sources...
janfields Here is a link for citing sources...especially electronic source --

janfields And here is my very favorite link on sources, from Purdue's online writing lab --

janfields Citing sources in publishing is different from doing it in an academic setting...
janfields publishing is much more relaxed...they don't care so much about exact format...
janfields as long as they get the information they need.
janfields But it's always good to be consistent with how you reference sources.
caq I was told that interviews don't hold much weight because it won't lead the reader to a book, etc, for further info. Would it be wise to ask an interviewee for suggestions for further reading for your readership age? Or would that be tacky?
janfields I've seen great articles/books that were clearly built totally on interviews...
janfields After all..profiles pretty much never point anyone toward a book..
janfields It's nice to write something that encourages kids to read.
janfields But considering you can't use children's books as sources...
janfields for nonfiction.
janfields And kids aren't interested in being pointed toward adult nonfiction.
janfields Your source list and a possible suggested reading list are going to be very different ANYWAY.
janfields So even if you have a piece built entirely on interviews...if the editor wants a suggested reading list...
janfields that editor is going to want different material than the stuff you used for sources anyway.
janfields Editors ARE more comfortable with print sources for a totally different reason...
janfields it's just easier for the fact checker if all your sources are print and if you send photocopies of all the source materials.
janfields But that's a different critter.
janfields And if your source is say.....
janfields the head historian on the subject of Ben Franklin...
janfields then that person's greatest gift to you will be to point you at the
janfields most credible sources HE knows about Ben Franklin...since he's going to know where journals and such are being housed.
caq If they want copies of your source materials, isn't that sort of not the right thing to do? I mean, people are not supposed to make copies of other peoples work,
janfields A single photo copy for fact checking is DEFINITELY within the realm of "fair use"
janfields of published material.
janfields They won't be publishing those copies...just reading them to make sure you got the facts straight.
janfields Then, basically, they throw them away...totally within the realm of fair use.
caq Makes sense. I would think the writers would be honored to have their material referenced in another work. Am I correct?
janfields They are more than honored...it tends to increase sales.
janfields And increased the chance of a book staying in print.
janfields Increases the person's name value.
janfields And if the source text is out-of-print, it increases the chance of it being picked up again and put in print.
janfields So references another book is very valuable to the author and publisher.
janfields Okay...that's puts us about on the hour...
janfields I wanted to remind everyone that THURSDAY NIGHT...
janfields we
janfields are going to be chatting with an intellectual property lawyer.
janfields She will be able to answer basic questions on copyright, tradmark, rights...
janfields libel.
janfields She can't give specific legal advice (so don't some in with contract in hand to ask for a point by point)
janfields but she will answer a lot of nagging questions you've wondered.
janfields And she's really nice.

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