Writer's Support Room - Open Forum Transcripts

Event start time:Tue Jan 24 12:59:42 2006
Event end time:Tue Jan 24 14:07:19 2006


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janfields Join us this afternoon in the AUDITORIUM-Scheduled Events Room for an "Open Forum" with Web Editor, Jan Fields. With over 20 years experience in selling to the magazine market, and teaching writing, I welcome your questions on time management, getting started, writer's block, marketing, writing rights, writing earnings, or anything else you'd like to discuss. Bring your QUESTIONS to this open forum-in five minutes.
janfields The Tuesday afternoon "Open Forum" will begin promptly at 3 Atlantic/CANADA, 2 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Central, Noon Mountain, and 11 am Pacific. While you wait for the "Open Forum" to start, feel free to use your ASK A QUESTION button RIGHT BETWEEN THE YELLOW "MAP" AND THE RED QUESTION MARK IN ICHAT to post some questions for the discussion group-two minutes from now.
janfields Good afternoon! Welcome to this Tuesday afternoon's "Open Forum" session. I'm your moderator, Jan Fields, Web Editor. I'm here for an informal time of answering any questions you might like to ask, on any subject. So feel free to ask what's on your mind--and I'll tell you what's on mine! First, please read these announcements, then we'll get started….
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janfields This chat will last about an hour...maybe a few minutes more.
janfields I want to start with a couple good news bits
janfields Because I adore good news.
janfields And we don't get nearly as much as we need as writers.
janfields Stephanie shares this great news: I got a phone call from an editor with Concordia Publishing House. He just
curriculum work for them. This will look great on my
want me to do is what I love doing on a daily


janfields Yeah Stephanie
janfields I've done curriculum work for church publishers and it's a lot of fun.
janfields Donna Marie West shares this -- My short story, "The Bed Bug" has just appeared in the April 2006 issue of STORY FRIENDS. This is the second publication for this story, which is actually the first one I ever submitted, when I was about 4 lessons into the basic course back in 2003.

janfields Great, Donna..
janfields Donna got into this wonderful magazine before it folded..
janfields many of us are going to really miss Story Friends.
janfields It is mailing it's last issue in a few months
janfields On the Line is also folding...alas
janfields Shannon says: Wee Ones just accepted my historical profile, “Mary Pickersgill’s Gigantic Flag” for publication in July 2007.
janfields I love Wee Ones...the editor is a sweetheart AND an ICL instructor!
janfields So good on ya, Shannon
janfields writermum shared that she'll be writing a column (God's Crazy Quilt) for Extreme Woman. And a bi-weekly column on marriage and parenting for Moms in Faith.
janfields Columns are fun, and a great way to practice our grace under pressure skills -- good writermum
janfields Sarah says, "Positive Teens Magazine is publishing my article "Recovering from Hurricane Katrina" in the next issue!!!!!!"

janfields Good going Sarah...sounds like an interesting piece.
casey Wee Ones accepted my "Jackhammer of the Forest" for March/april 2007
janfields Yeah, casey.
janfields And for the questioning...the editor of Wee Ones is Jennifer Reed.
janfields One of my favorites.
janfields Now let's hit some tough stuff...
duckduck What do you think about Story Friends folding and the changes at Carus?
janfields Unfortunately, I was expecting Story Friends to fold, though On the Line was a surprise
janfields You can often tell when a magazine is ailing...
janfields When they disappear from the 'net...cut staff...start to get really slow to respond.
janfields And a lot of smaller magazines do struggle to stay alive in this competitive market.
janfields The Cricket group's change surprised a lot of folks.
janfields It makes sense to consolidate magazines under one roof, but it sure was hard on the editors.
janfields And I think they might find that doesn't end up with the rewards to their reputation that they would like.
george kulz I know this question has been asked in forum before, but who do you address a cover letter to if you don't have a contact person's name? In particular, it's for a book publisher.
janfields If you don't have an editor name...and sometimes publications actually prefer you send NOT to a specific editor
janfields Then I always use "Dear Editor..."
janfields Or I've been known simply to use "Greetings,"
janfields I NEVER NEVER NEVER use "Dear Sir or Madam"
janfields I've heard editors say they hate that.
janfields Many of them are young people and it just sounds very foreign to them
janfields To get something that formal.
duckduck When do you have enough rejections on one ms to just say forget it?
janfields When I run out of markets it matches.
janfields Really, I almost never call it a day on magazine stuff.
janfields I have given up on SOME book manuscripts when I get rejections that say things like..
janfields "I could have bought this a few years ago but we just don't buy...whatever...anymore"
janfields Sometimes I'll try a few more but often I'll shelve it and wait for greener pastures.
highhopes In the guidelines for Bread for God's Children it states "no tag endings". What does this mean?
janfields I zipped an email to the editor to see if a tag ending was a "moral of the story" type ending. This is the answer from BREAD -- YES, we don't want any obvious restatement of the moral of the story.
janfields That's pretty universal with religious magazines
janfields They want a strong theme but they want it not summed up
janfields but "revealled"
janfields The plot should unfold and illustrate the lesson
janfields But you really want to avoid having the main character sum up what she's learned at the end.
plumisle I'm trying to enter the Writer's Retreat discussion boards for the first time and don't know how to send a message of my own. Can you help me?
janfields All of the posting functions in the Writer's Retreat can be accessed by clicking on the faint-ish triangle within a circle that is at the lefthand corner of the thick blue toolbar. Clicking that will make a new toolbar appear that will have the controls you need.
janfields I still sometimes forget and wonder...where the heck did my controls go?
janfields So..the little arrow is your friend on the discussion boards in Writer's Retreat.
janfields Ryan asks: Do picture book editors normally want more than one story submitted because they are so short, especially if you wanted to do a picture book series?

janfields Yes, usually with any book manuscript...you send one.
janfields Especially in today's market
janfields picture book editors are way to scared to think series all that often
janfields and a lot of series are done "out of house" by packagers
janfields But if you're manuscript can stand alone but you think it's a good series idea
janfields You can focus on the one...then mention series possiblity near the bottom of your cover letter.
janfields But only send one unless they ask to see the others.
vettemom OK, your opinion on resolving a story please? need one ?
janfields You're asking if your story can be open ended -- not clear on the resolution?
janfields If so..yes, magazine will buy that.
janfields Sort of a "lady or the tiger" ending
janfields But it still needs to be satisfying
janfields And you really can only get away with it for teens and only if the story is pretty literary
janfields in tone.
duckduck Do you have any figures on the popularity of ebooks?
janfields Ebooks are still lagging...especially for kid books.
janfields Some homeschoolers are connecting with SOME ebook nonfiction
janfields But fiction is still pretty much a "cottage industry" feel
janfields I know a few folks who
janfields have gotten a hundred dollars in royalties
janfields but I know a lot more who have gotten a lot less
janfields And, really, you can make a hundred bucks from some magazines.
skeet is there a market for animals and kids that communicate?
janfields I come really close to saying no
janfields You see it, of course, on tv
janfields Dora has the monkey and they both talk
janfields And there are plenty of others
janfields And thus they do end up in print via television.
janfields But editors are soooooooooo leary of it
janfields You would have to be incredibly outstanding.
janfields So...I'm teetering on the edge of NO...but you never know, really.
dell Does an author make the same amount of royalty on a picture book if the book is purchased online at a discount, say from Alphacraze.com or overstock.com, etc? thanks!
janfields Up to a point. The bulk of royalty payments are on what the book's cover price is
janfields But once you get remaindered...things change.
janfields And a lot of that is in the contract...and sort of mysterious to me.
janfields But as long as you're in print and selling...you're royalities aren't going to be dependent upon
janfields who is doing the selling.
janfields As long as you're with a commerical publisher.
gladys1 what about animal stories where the animals and humans do not speak to each other but only to their own species?
janfields I've seen stories...there was a really cute one in Highlights...where the animal is talking to himself
janfields After overhearing some people talk.
janfields They don't talk to one another...but they co-exist.
janfields So that's a little easier...but often animals and people are pretty separate in stories.
janfields Of course, if you're a celeb or a world famous adult novelist you can write a kid book anyway you like
janfields And it'll get published...it's a little harder for us normal folks
paige Is it acceptable to copy a word definition from a dictionary for use in a sidebar -- or would one have to re-word it?
janfields If you give the exact atttribution right in the sidebar, that should be fine.
janfields If the publisher doesn't like it...they will let you know.
janfields I see a lot of "According to Websters, a hurricane is...blah, blah blah" stuff so it's okay
jobranham1964 what do you mean by "remaindered"?
janfields Ah...remaindered is book hell.
janfields When your book sells out what the publisher believes is it's potential
janfields Any extra copies are usually
janfields either offered to the author (cheaply) or released to deep discount booksellers
janfields And the book is officially "out of print" even though copies are still being sold at these discount sources
duckduck How does a person go about getting permission to use material, say scripture from a specific bible, to use in an article? If you write to the publisher and have to wait for a response, won't it take a very long time?
janfields If you use KJV...no problem, it's public domain
janfields If you use other verses...it depends upon how much you're using.
janfields Say you're doing a book...and you use a lot
janfields If all comes from the same source...say New KJV...you can actually go ahead and secure a publisher
janfields Before you get your permissions...sometimes the publisher will even handle the permissions
janfields Sometimes not...but they will give you the time to get them.
duckduck Can you sell an out of print book to another publisher?
janfields Sometimes...if you think you can convince another publisher that it still has
janfields marketability...which is hard if it's in remainder bins
janfields Plus, you have to be sure rights reverted back to you upon "out of print'
janfields They usually do...in most contracts.
duckduck Do publishers have very tight specific guidelines for writing easy readers?
janfields It depends upon the publisher...some really really do, some don't. There is ZERO standardization in easy readers.
janfields You have to get the guidelines.
gladys1 can you revise an out of date book and resubmit it under a different name or even the same name
janfields Sure, if you own the rights again...but again...it's a whole new marketing ballgame
janfields So the fact that it's been published before and possiby bled off all it's potential market can be an issue.
eggamy what about verses we us in Sunday School papers?
janfields Those are so brief, you don't have to worry about permission.
janfields Just make sure you use the version that the magazine prefers.
janfields Guidelines usually tell...and it's often listed in the masthead since they get permission.
janfields Loretta asked: If someone is interested in submitting an article to either the Writers Support or Writing Tips, will the submission guidelines be the same and will you be reviewing them?

janfields Right now, I came into this with a pretty big que of articles...and I cleared the que
janfields by assigning articles up to June.
janfields So if you submit something to me NOW for the website...I'm probably going to ask you to resbub in the summer
janfields Because I hate to make folks wait and wait to see when they are going online.
janfields But other than that little thing...guidelines are the same.
janfields omalizzie asks: What are 'tearsheets?'
janfields Some magazines ask for tearsheets...
janfields That's a sneaky way to see if you've been published and where
janfields And how much page you got
janfields So the magazine wants a photocopy of your article/story right from the magazine
janfields And sometimes they ALSO want a photocopy of the contents page
janfields so they can verify what issue.
janfields Mostly this is only asked for by magazines that pay pretty well.
dell All this talk about remaindering is making me realize how important it is for an author to promote his/her books(s). (How sad it must be to see one's 'baby' go out of print. )
janfields Promotion is important but I've seen books that were doing pretty good
janfields midlist
janfields nonfiction that went out of print because the publisher only had so much room on its list
janfields and felt they had bigger sellers coming in.
janfields Publishing can be painful.
high hopes Is a "tearsheet" the same as a clip then?
janfields Often if a magazine asks for "clips" you can just list your publications
janfields But if they specify tearsheets...they want the photocopies.
janfields Which boosts your postage costs...so personally
janfields I tend to in
janfields interprete
janfields clips to mean...please, list some publications and what kind of story you sold
janfields So far, no editor has smacked me with a rolled up magazine.
caq If your story or article was publisned in an e-zine, how do you get a tear sheet? After a while it will no longer be on the mag site.
janfields As soon as your work goes online...PRINT IT OUT
janfields print a couple copies
janfields Put them in a binder.
janfields They can then be used as tearsheets.
vettemom I always thought clips were copies?
janfields Yeah, they probably mean copies...but...well...dang copies are heavy
janfields So...I send lists of publications, titles of pieces sold and dates.
janfields And it normally makes them happy.
janfields If they are going to pay me a lot if they buy my sub.
janfields I might send one photocopy...but that's about it
janfields I'm one cheap little writer girl.
caq If your story or article is printed in an ezine, you most likely have to subscribe to be able to access the magazine articles and stories so do you have to subscribe in order to get a copy to print?
janfields If my article is in an ezine...they dang well BETTER give me access to it.
janfields Or send me some copies in the mail.
janfields And if it's a subscription ezine...I will get that worked out at the "gee we love this we want to buy it" stage.
janfields I don't PAY anyone to get my own clips...nope nope nope
janfields Smack those people.
dawnlee71 What do you put on a resume before you are published?
janfields I actually spent one year writing for adult magazines while never mentioning previous credits
janfields Just to prove to my writing class that you could sell without credits.
janfields Most magazines REAL interest is in the piece you are actually offering them.
janfields And when you're sending a manuscript...your past sales are of limited interest
janfields Cause they ain't buying them.
janfields Sure I list them now...I will do whatever I must...but if your manuscript is good
janfields And your approach professional...just skip the "clips" or credits part entirely.
janfields Focus on the submission at hand...it'll be fine.
dawnlee71 Does my ICL article count ? Should I put it on a resume?
janfields If you've sold something to ICL..sure it counts. In fact, if you've been 'published' in a
janfields free ezine that has good cred in the industry...that counts too
janfields I know editors actually do pay attention to industry zines because I get email from editors
janfields who read Kid Magazine Writers...and we're a dinky garage band zine
caq I was told I could NOT put my ICL publications on my resume becasue they are not things that were written for children. I was told by my instructor and Mel they aren't relevant.
janfields If you're writing nonfiction and ICL is your nonfiction credit...sure, I would put it.
janfields I wouldn't put it for fiction cause there are a lot of folks who can write nonfic who can't write fiction
janfields So the two don't really relate.
janfields Heck, when I switched from writing for adults
janfields to writing for kids, I used a lot of adult credits
writersblock What about those that ASK for a resume? What do you put if you don't have any publishing credits then?
janfields If your resume will have something that impresses them...
janfields A background in the subject you're writing about
janfields Or a degree in...I dunno...kid lit from one of the new MA programs.
janfields Then...yes, a resume without credits can help.
janfields But if they are asking for resumes and tearsheets...they are trying not too
janfields subtly to avoid getting stuff from folks without creditrs
janfields SO you might want to get credits and get back to them.
kimber6 I sent something to Cricket in October and haven't heard back yet. Should I resubmit, or contact them?
janfields I would consider it lost...but I might query and ask if they have it
janfields Often when I send that kind of query
janfields I also send the manuscript with it.
janfields My letter will say, I sent this manuscript in October
janfields And since it's quite a bit after your usual response time, I wanted to make sure you got it.
janfields After all, if they didn't...well, they do now.
eggamy Does my ICL training count they ask for resmue
janfields The tragic truth is that although it counts SOME...it doesn't count a LOT
janfields It shows you are serious about improving your work
janfields Which is good.
janfields But if you graduated recently...it still marks you are a beginning writer...which is less good.
janfields But if you can write...and write really well...they'll get over it.
dawnlee71 Is that why it can be better to be published than paid?
janfields I wanted to field this one because it hits on something important
janfields An online magazine
janfields Or a print magazine
janfields Is only as good as the stuff they buy.
janfields So if you are published in an online that HAPPENS to pay but doesn't seem to have really good editorial oversight
janfields If won't impress an editor (as a publication) as much as one with good rep but maybe doesn't pay.
janfields So always read the stuff coming out of any ezine
janfields Or e-publisher
janfields Or tiny publisher.
janfields And ask...do I want to be judged by keeping that company?
janfields Because it does make a difference.
dawnlee71 Are there ones you'd recomend avoiding?
janfields That's tough because unless they cheat you...I don't like to say...psst...stay away.
janfields But really, if you read it and you like it...and they seem to publish good stuff...I would totally go with it.
janfields And I would never write off one that is publishing...um....less than stellar stuff at the start up
janfields Because something ya gotta go with what you get submitted...I've seen magazines that started off kind of ...ish
janfields But eventually became a really good solid market.
janfields But it might be one to keep an eye on rather than one to jump into.
gladys1 what about being published on line and not paid for it? Does that count as credits?
janfields Yes, there are tons of unpaid credits that can be great.
janfields Some magazines just don't have the funds
janfields Again...read it. If you think the content is impressive...chances are it's making itself noticed in the industry
janfields And that will make it a good credit.
janfields Well, guys, it's 3pm
janfields That was fun though...y'all ask great questions.
janfields And I know I didn't get to them all.
janfields But they will all go into the Monday newsletter-ish reminder thing
janfields With answers.
janfields Oh..and by the way, THE FRIDAY newsletters will now ALWAYS be online
janfields In the Writer's support area
janfields Under "Getting Started."
janfields They will stay online for one week and be replaced by the new one.
janfields I know some folks have subscriber issues sometimes.

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